alanwilliamson
Its true! In an online poll at the moment to galvanise support for people with a foot fetish is currently running at 194 signatures, where as the poll to free java has only 188. Not sure what that tells us about the passion in the community! Misdirected possibly?
All joke aside the whole notion of freeing Java is something I have a lot of support for. I believe the name should be free'd up at least. I don't think it's right that a company has trademarked what is now widely accepted as a computer language. It is not a product and shouldn't be treated as such. This whole movement is getting a lot more attention now that we see Sun abusing the brand as they desparately try to claw back creditability.
I applaud the China deal that Sun inked to ensure millions of seats for the Sun Java Desktop System but it has very little to do with Java. Yes we are riding on the coat tails, but it is disingenious. I for one don't wish to be pissing off a major nuclear power having duped them into thinking its Java when its not!
What they have demonstrated successfully here is that no one wants to buy their usual crap. So with a slide of hand, quick repackaging, slap on the dukey logo, boom, people are buying into what they think is Java. The only people really benefiting from all of this are the legions of Linux SysAdmins who are going to start seeing their skills in demand to support these systems. Hopefully Java developers will benefit from this, assuming it doesn't go wrong and Java doesn't get the blame for it!
Dangerous game being played out.
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The Java desktop label is misleading - it's just a Linux package with a little bit of polish and additional porducts. Just because it can ru Java isn't enough. If that were the case then Microsoft can claim Windows XP is Java XP.
Seems very lame to me. This will fail and it will look as another java client-side failure, when it fact it isn't a failure accept in the Sun marketing department.
Terry Bone
I'm not sure it is all that dangerous.
Ok, I'm biased in that I work at Sun. Having said that, is a Java label conveying that something is written in Java, or that it runs Java?
I've thought once or twice that a J2EE container is really an operating system, and that it might be an interesting experiment to write one in a language designed for writing operating systems. I've no idea how this would turn out, but I come from the school that believes languages are designed with a class of applicable problems in mind.
A Compatible J2EE container has never, to my knowledge, been written completely in Java. At the least, the lower portions of the stack have been written in something else. Eg. the operating system. So if one were to shift that line of language demarkation a little higher, does this make the container less Java or J2EE compatible?
Coming back to the more immediate question, is a stack compatible, or is it the container that is compatible? I think the stack. As such, then, labeling a whole prepacked stack as compatible because it can run Java applications, while not something I thought up or initially supported, has come to make a fair deal of sense to me.
YMMV
glen
How strange, are you sure this company can actually get away with this? Isn't this misleading the consumer, which breaks almost every right of the consumer?!! I hope you get your Java free'd, but I do worry about those foot fetishers...
Vic